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Really?
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:49 pm Reply with quote
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123Gb?
I told winrtgen to do 7-14 characters, lower alpha-numeric, ntlm...
and it says it will do it in 600mb

is that incorrect?
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Re: Really?
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:53 pm Reply with quote
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willvic wrote:
123Gb?
I told winrtgen to do 7-14 characters, lower alpha-numeric, ntlm...
and it says it will do it in 600mb

is that incorrect?


And did you look at "Success probability"?
Forget "7-14" ! Best you can do is "loweraplpha numeric 1-9".
Even 10 chars loweralpha rainbow tables are HUGE pile of data!


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no...
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:55 pm Reply with quote
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not forced to change password.
Just looks like it got changed... the 2nd hash did anyway...

hash is now

pandenclv:"":"":AAD3B435B51404EEAAD3B435B51404EE:39C8871C817D9FE0046BD54E566ACC15
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ugh
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:57 pm Reply with quote
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success probability 0

well that sucks...
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Re: no...
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:58 pm Reply with quote
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willvic wrote:
not forced to change password.
Just looks like it got changed... the 2nd hash did anyway...

hash is now

pandenclv:"":"":AAD3B435B51404EEAAD3B435B51404EE:39C8871C817D9FE0046BD54E566ACC15


So indeed, password was changed. And you have now two NTLM hashes to try. But if there is now somewhere taht same password in reversible form, then it's located somewhere else. Maybe in registry.
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in registry?
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registry of the pc?
hmmm
could try that... not sure where it would have stored it.
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LM Hash?
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I'm not sure why it's empty.. other than the pw could be longer than 15 characters??

The pc registry for logon is not set to not keep LM hashes..
Domain policy also does not say "no lm hash'....

Is there a way to require an lm hash be stored?
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Maybe a last question...
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 4:34 pm Reply with quote
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I've been running LM alpha tables just against a ton of accounts, with cain.. and it works great, and when it gets 1/2 the pw it shows that 1/2 of it.... Got me about 4000 pw's off the bat.. in just about 15 minutes.

If I get ntlm tables... and run it against the pw in question... will it do the same, revealing part of it, if it can only get part of it?

That may be all I'd need.
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NT hash works differently and you can't reveal half of password as in case of LM hash. So if original password is long enough (>9 chars) and not in worldlists, then you have in trouble with cracking ...
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ok thanks...
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obviously not as easy a crack as I hoped it might be..
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