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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:26 am dark_el_diablo Beginner Joined: Apr 16, 2005 Posts: 1 is there a way to bypass protector system? for example if i want to get the md5 hash of a site Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:32 am shai-tan Valuable expert Joined: Feb 22, 2005 Posts: 477 Are they using Sentinel? _________________ Shai-tan ?In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won?t end up like the Hurd people.? -- Linus Torvalds Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:15 pm KingOfSka Advanced user Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 61 i'm interested too is there a way to bypass Sentinel , or the other 2 security mods i saw, the one blaming you, and giving you a whois on your ip , and the other "you got slapped by nukecop" lol i've done some "experiments" hoping the query wouldn't be detected, but it was detected... Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:13 pm y3dips Valuable expert Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 281 Location: Indonesia sentinel use database for many kind of attack that detected, so ? u need to use 0day exploits or why dont try to break the sentinel module first ? _________________ IO::y3dips->new(http://clog.ammar.web.id); Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:33 pm KingOfSka Advanced user Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 61 have you got some 0day to give me ? i think i'll download the sentinel module and try to understand how it works, then how to bypass it but i think it would be hard lol thanks a lot y3 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:52 am shai-tan Valuable expert Joined: Feb 22, 2005 Posts: 477 Some of the 0day exploits don't work either. I've tried. Sentinel is quick secure. _________________ Shai-tan ?In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won?t end up like the Hurd people.? -- Linus Torvalds Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:51 am y3dips Valuable expert Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 281 Location: Indonesia KingOfSka wrote: have you got some 0day to give me ? i think i'll download the sentinel module and try to understand how it works, then how to bypass it but i think it would be hard lol thanks a lot y3 no problem, just give u some idea it would be great for you to do a research about that _________________ IO::y3dips->new(http://clog.ammar.web.id); Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:57 am y3dips Valuable expert Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 281 Location: Indonesia shai-tan wrote: Some of the 0day exploits don't work either. I've tried. Sentinel is quick secure. "quick secure " != 100% secure if im not wrong, there is one of waraxe advisory already make a funny of "nuke cops" by bypassing the restriction maybe waraxe will do the same again with senitnel _________________ IO::y3dips->new(http://clog.ammar.web.id); Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:50 am KingOfSka Advanced user Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 61 tell me if i'm wrong, the mod works in this way: first, it get the exploit list from the database, then when a user send an HTTP request, the mod checks the request to see if it contains an exploit and take actions. now i'll try to understand how this databse works.. Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:14 am shai-tan Valuable expert Joined: Feb 22, 2005 Posts: 477 Your best bet is attacking the module itself. One that hasnt been up dated in a while _________________ Shai-tan ?In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won?t end up like the Hurd people.? -- Linus Torvalds Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:27 pm y3dips Valuable expert Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 281 Location: Indonesia KingOfSka wrote: tell me if i'm wrong, the mod works in this way: first, it get the exploit list from the database, then when a user send an HTTP request, the mod checks the request to see if it contains an exploit and take actions. now i'll try to understand how this databse works.. somethin like that coz im not familiar with sentinel n phpnuke i dont even know if we modify the request what will happen ? maybe you could give some try .. or maybe u should find sentinel vulnerabillity _________________ IO::y3dips->new(http://clog.ammar.web.id); Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:38 pm KingOfSka Advanced user Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 61 i gave a quick look at sentinel, it seems it uses regular expression for filtering strings: Code: // Check for UNION attack // Copyright 2004(c) Raven PHP Scripts $blocker_row = $blocker_array[1]; if($blocker_row['activate'] > 0) { if (stristr($nsnst_const['query_string'],'%20union%20') OR stristr($nsnst_const['query_string'],'*/union/*') OR stristr($nsnst_const['query_string'],' union ') OR stristr($nsnst_const['query_string_base64'],'%20union%20') OR stristr($nsnst_const['query_string_base64'],'*/union/*') OR stristr($nsnst_const['query_string_base64'],' union ')) { block_ip($blocker_row); } } so the base 64 way and the urlencoded one are useless.. now i'll do some test with comment, do you think the chr() way would work? Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:11 pm waraxe Site admin Joined: May 11, 2004 Posts: 2407 Location: Estonia, Tartu Sentinel is not Holy Grail of the phpnuke webmaster, it's not perfect. I mean, you can't just add many different "protection" systems to full of holes phpnuke engine and then hope, that maybe you can sleep well tonight, without fear to discover next morning defaced website Wait for some time, i'm working currently with Sentinel and there will be advisory soon, i think Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:36 pm KingOfSka Advanced user Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 61 ehhehe great as usual waraxe i'm testing but i think you'll find a way to defeat sentinel before me lol **edit: just tested , commenting queryies won't work Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:35 pm waraxe Site admin Joined: May 11, 2004 Posts: 2407 Location: Estonia, Tartu Heh I have found method to bypass all the UNION filters. For test i used phpnuke 7.5 installation with sentinel (all the features activated) and then tried to exploit my last #41 bug. Of course, i had been stopped at first, but then i tried some camoflague methods and So, advisory will be out soon, thats for sure. 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